Conversations with Swami Turiyananda – Part 1

Recorded by Swami Raghavananda and translated by Swami Prabhavananda

(This month’s reading is from the Jan.-Feb., 1957 issue of Vedanta and the West.)

The spiritual talks published below took place at Almora in the Himalayas during the summer of 1915 in the ashrama which Swami Turiyananda had established in cooperation with his brother-disciple, Swami Shivananda. During the course of these conversations, Swami Turiyananda describes the early days at Dakshineswar with his master, Sri Ramakrishna, leaving a fascinating record of the training of an illumined soul by this God-man of India. His memories of life with his brother-disciples at Baranagore, under Swami Vivekananda’s leadership, give a glimpse of the disciplines and struggles that formed the basis of the young Ramakrishna Order. Above all, Swami Turiyananada’s teachings in the pages that follow contain practical counsel on many aspects of religious life of interest to every spiritual seeker.

Swami Turiyananda spent most of his life in austere spiritual practices. In 1899, he came to the United States where he taught Vedanta for three years, first in New York, later on the West Coast. By the example of his spirituality he greatly influenced the lives of many spiritual aspirants both in America and India. He was regarded by Sri Ramakrishna as the perfect embodiment of that renunciation which is taught in the Bhagavad Gita

Swami Shivananda, some of whose talks are included below, was also a man of the highest spiritual realizations. He later became the second President of the Ramakrishna Math and Mission.

The conversations were witnessed and recorded by Swami Raghavananda.

June 1, 1915. It was morning.

SWAMI TURIYANANDA: “At one period of my life I used to live continually in an ecstatic state. Then the Lord suppressed this mood.”

DISCIPLE: “Why did He suppress such a wonderful mood?”

SWAMI TURIYANANDA: “You know that in our country if a young child is very handsome his mother sometimes draws black marks on his cheeks so that people will not be envious of him. Perhaps in the same way the Lord suppressed this ecstatic mood in order to protect me from the envy of others.

“Troubles exist as long as we live in the domain of thought. There is no peace until we transcend thought itself. When one kills the mind, the senses come under control. What does it mean to kill the mind? It is to detach it from sense objects. The enlightened person has their senses under perfect control. ‘The tortoise can draw in his legs: the seer can draw in his senses. I call him illumined.’” The Swami closed his fist to illustrate how the enlightened soul draws in the senses.’

“‘Even a mind that knows the path can be dragged from the path; the senses are so unruly. But one who is wise controls the senses; the person recollects the mind and fixes it on Me. I call such a person illumined.’ As long as one expects happiness, one stays restless. But the enlightened soul ‘knows bliss in the Atman [the Self within] and wants nothing else. Cravings torment the heart; he renounces cravings. I call such a person illumined.’ Craving for happiness brings suffering in its wake.

“The illumined soul keeps himself detached from the mind and intellect and directs them to work, whereas the ordinary person identifies himself with the mind and intellect.”

DISCIPLE: “I would like to live a contemplative life.”

SWAMI TURIYANANDA: “Everybody works. The important thing is to awaken the Divine Mother within oneself. Of course you must also work. You may even have to go through drudgery if the Lord commands it. But never work for name and fame! You have renounced all that! Ah, what a wonderful spirit of self-surrender Swamiji (Swami Vivekananda) had! When he was seriously ill at Rishikesh and we, his brother-disciples, were watching over him, sad at heart, he said: ‘Mother, if it is your will, let me die.’

“Although the Lord made us his instruments and engaged us in his work, at least ninety per cent of our mind dwelled in him.”

June 2, 1915. There was a reading of The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna. Swami Turiyananda remarked: “He who places too much emphasis upon diet is a fanatic. As one grows spiritually, one overcomes this tendency. Is our Lord only the Lord of the Hindus?

“God and mammon cannot be served at the same time. Those who try to compromise are still very much attached to the world. If you want to realize God, renounce all worldliness.

“Why should you care about public opinion? Good people never criticize others. It is only the wicked who speak ill of their fellow men. Ignore them! The idea of doing good to other people! First help yourself! The illumined souls alone are the true benefactors of this world. They know what is good for mankind. Having attained knowledge, they work for others. “You must rub your hands with oil before you break open the jackfruit.”

June 3, 1915. There was a reading of The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna. Swami Turiyananda observed: “The study of the scriptures is important. It engages the mind in holy thoughts. But in a higher state even study is a distraction. When you are established in contemplation, it is best to let the mind be absorbed in a single ideal. At one time, when I was staying in the Himalayas, I used to study the Upanishads for eighteen to nineteen hours a day and to meditate on their truth. Through the grace of the Upanishads I had revelations.

“At the Baranagore Monastery we used to study scriptures and philosophy a lot. Swami Abhedananda particularly engaged himself in much study. Swamiji did too and also meditated many hours. We all practiced great austerities. Sri Ramakrishna made us do it. Then we attained the bliss of liberation while living through the Master’s grace. Free as the air we have lived—depending on none, feeling no lack, without cravings, fearless! Yes, we know the joy of liberation! We used to wander from place to place, depending entirely on the Lord. We would beg for alms when we were very hungry. Wherever it got dark we made our home. What freedom!”

June 7, 1915. SWAMI TURIYANANDA: “A modern commentator on the Vedanta Sutras has made the remark that liberation cannot be attained by worshipping the personal aspect of God, that such worshipers after death only go to higher planes of existence. To realize one’s true nature is to attain liberation. Certainly this realization also comes to the devotees of the personal aspect of God whenever they wish to erase their sense of individuality. However, although they realize their union with the Chosen Ideal, they usually prefer to keep a sense of separation and live as servants of the Lord in order to taste his bliss. God reveals himself to his devotees both as personal and impersonal. Look at our Master. He attained everything by worshipping God as personal. He used to say, ‘He who has perfected himself by worshipping the Lord in one aspect knows all his aspects.’

“You must struggle to meditate and to become deeply absorbed in Him. Try to develop intense devotion to God throughout your life.

“You have to admit this truth: As long as you have physical consciousness, the Lord is the master and you are his servant. When you think of yourself as an individual soul, you are a part of Him. And when you realize that you are the Atman, the Self, you are He. In that state there is no sense of ego.”

There was a reading of The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna. Swami Shivananda remarked: “Ah, those days at Dakshineswar were like heaven itself!” He continued with a description of Sri Ramakrishna‘s daily life:

“From morning till one in the afternoon everyone was busy picking flowers and making other preparations for worship until the poor were fed. In the meantime, Sri Ramakrishna would discuss spiritual subjects and the devotees listened to him with rapt attention. Even fun and jokes were related to God. There was no other topic. Everything culminated in his samadhi [transcendental state of consciousness]. After lunch, Sri Ramakrishna used to rest for a short while. Then again he spoke on spiritual matters. At vesper time he used to go to the temple of Mother Kali and fan her a little. He would become God-intoxicated and return to his room reeling in a state of ecstasy. He used to ask us, who were practicing spiritual disciplines under his guidance, ‘Tell me, do you feel divine inebriation when you mediate mornings and evenings?’ At night, Sri Ramakrishna slept very little. He used to get up and wake those who were sleeping in his room, saying, ‘Don’t sleep too much! Wake up and meditate!’ Again he would lie down a short while, then rise before dawn and chant the sweet name of the Lord. The others would sit and meditate in their own ways.

“May your hearts be filled with devotion for our Lord!”

June 10, 1915.

SWAMI TURIYANANDA: “You have to ascend to the highest peak of renunciation in order to realize the Atman.”

June 11, 1915. It was noontime. Swami Turiyananda observed: “Is it easy to guard the mind from distracting thoughts? It demands heroic effort. Distractions constantly try to enter your mind and to take possession of you. Layers upon layers of rubbish are in the mind. What good is it merely to close eyes and ears?”

In the evening, Swami Shivananda mentioned a devotee. He prayed for him: “Mother, may he not go away empty-handed! Give him a grain of your grace! He came to your devotees.”

SWAMI TURIYANANDA: “Sri Ramakrishna used to say: ‘I cannot stand anyone calling me guru. It irritates me. Who is the guru? Satchidananda [God] alone is the guru.’ the external guru shows the path; the inner guru quickens the spirit. Ordinary men who pose as gurus do not know this and ruin themselves by feeding their egos.”

June 13, 1915. Upon returning from a walk, Swami Turiyananda said: “A. wants to study raja yoga in a hurry. We have given our life-blood to this task! As long as I can remember, I have devoted myself to nothing else, and yet—how far am I from attaining purity of heart! Still there is anger and envy! Make me, O Lord, thy servant’s servant’s servant!”

Swami Turiyananda was lying down and I [Swami Raghavananda] was fanning him. Swami said: “Never let egotism control you. It ruins a man. He loses all discrimination—just like a drunkard. Sri Ramakrishna used to say: ‘Water does not accumulate on high ground.’ An egotistic man holds his head high.” Swami Turiyananda lifted is head to illustrate.

Swami continued: “Strong is the person who is elastic like steel and does not break. Strong is the person who can live in harmony with many people and heed opinions differing from their own.

“Swamiji said at one time: ‘As long as you have been born on this earth, leave an impression on it.’ At the Baranagore Math he remarked: ‘Our names will be recorded in history!’ Swami Yogananda and some other brother-disciples made fun of him. Swamiji retorted: ‘You will see if I am right or not! Vedanta is the only religion convincing to all. If you don’t listen to me, I will go to the quarter of the untouchables and teach them Vedanta!’

“To preach religion is to give something tangible. it is not like teaching a class from the pages of a book. Religion is something that is transmitted. Hence, before you can give you have to earn.

“Never take pride in the thought that you have controlled your passions. If you do, they will become active again. Always pray, ‘Lord, protect me from passions!’ As long as you live in a physical body so long passions will exist, but through the Lord’s grace they will remain dormant and won’t overpower you.”

While we were walking, Swami Turiyananda told me a secret of meditation, which is to watch the mind when one passes from the waking state into dream, from dream into deep sleep, and back again from deep sleep to dream and waking. Swami: “I used to try to keep conscious in the dream state. I was able to do so, but I could not watch the mind in deep sleep. I would lose consciousness immediately.

“There are certain obstacles to meditation: laya, vikshepa, kashaya, rasaswada, and sama. Laya is a state in which the mind is lazy, inert, and goes to sleep. Most people make no effort to progress beyond this state. In vikshepa, the mind becomes restless and distracted. Kashaya is a state of mind in which the spiritual aspirant finds meditation distasteful; but people should persevere in their practices. In rasaswada, one feels joy in meditation and does not wish to progress to a higher state of consciousness. Sama is a state of equilibrium without any thought of God.”

June 15, 1915. After a reading of The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna, Swami Shivananda told the story of a dying magistrate who kept repeating, “Punish the rascal! Give him twenty lashes!” Even at the last moment the magistrate’s mind was dwelling on his profession instead of God. Then Swami Shivananda remarked: “the last thought determines the next birth.”

SWAMI TURIYANANDA: “How inspiring is the Gospel! It always seems new. As one reads it, one feels like calling on the Lord.”

Later in the day, Swami Turiyananda and I were walking. Swami said: “What good is work if the mind is not united with God? It is simply drudgery! Without devotion to the Lord, life is dry. We read in the Upanishads how one should be absorbed in the consciousness of Brahman [the all-pervading spirit].”

June 16, 1915. During the morning there was a reading of Swamiji’s Raja Yoga. Afterwards, Swami Turiyananda commented: “Raja yoga is a great science—the science of the mind. What a wonderful analysis of the mind it is!”

In The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna, the Master had remarked that one cannot attain God through work. But he had pointed out that if an aspirant works in the proper spirit an earnest desire arises to find Him, and that when this desire becomes intense he reveals his grace.

SWAMI TURIYANANDA: “Can God be attained by a little cursory study or meditation? One must have intense yearning for the Lord! Life must seem unbearable without his vision! Sri Ramakrishna said to us: ‘Just because I had that yearning, the Divine Mother took care of all my needs and provided this Kali Temple and Mathur Babu [son-in-law of this temple’s founder; a great devotee who provided for the Master and served him].’ The heart must burst with longing for God. Then one attains everything.”

June 18, 1915. We were reading the following aphorism in Raja Yoga: “By giving up even these powers [of omnipotence and omniscience], the seed of evil is destroyed and liberation follows.”

SWAMI TURIYANANDA: “This is devotion, and this will save you! It is the devotee alone who can renounce enjoyment and psychic powers. Other people fall prey to these. There is no other way to liberation but devotion to God. Do you understand?”

SWAMI SHIVANANDA: “What more is needed when the mind becomes absorbed the moment you meditate on the lotus feet of the Lord?” As he uttered these words, his face became flushed with spiritual emotion. When he returned to the normal plane of consciousness, he sang a song of Ramprasad expressing the idea that devotion is the root of all spiritual attainment. He continued: “Sri Ramakrishna prayed at one time, ‘Mother, you revealed yourself to Ramprasad. Why won’t you reveal yourself to me?” All of Sri Ramakrishna’s teachings are of devotion mixed with knowledge.”

June 20, 1915. It was morning. Swami Turiyananda was singing: “Ah, when will dawn that blessed day when tears of joy will flow from my eyes while I chant the name of the Lord?” Then the Swami turned to us: “Do you ever weep for God? How wonderful is the state when the name of the Lord brings tears to the eyes!”

SWAMI SHIVANANDA: “When I first began to visit Sri Ramakrishna, I often felt like crying. One night at Dakshineswar, by the bank of the Ganges, I wept to my heart’s content. In the meantime the Master had been asking for me. When I returned to his room, he said: ‘You know, if you weep before the Lord, your tears wipe out the mind’s impurities of many births, and his grace immediately descends upon you. It is good to weep before the Lord.’

“Another day I was meditating at the Panchavati. I was absorbed. Sri Ramakrishna was returning from the pine grove. When he looked at me, I began to sob. The Master stood beside me without uttering a word. A thrill went through my heart, and I began to tremble uncontrollably. Later I followed the Master to his room. He remarked to someone about my weeping: ‘These are no ordinary tears; they are tears of ecstasy.’ Then he made me sit near him and gave me something to eat. It was so easy for him to awaken the kundalini [spiritual energy] in us—without even a touch, just by his presence.”

June 21, 1915:

SWAMI TURIYANANDA: “Whenever Swamiji used the pronoun ‘I,’ he was identified with Brahman and used the word from the nondualistic standpoint.

“You can exercise free will in two ways, either by identifying yourself with him or by surrendering yourself. As long as you keep yourself apart from God, you have no freedom of the will.

“It is harmful to spiritual growth to think that one knows everything. Self-confidence means faith in the Atman.”

In the evening, while taking a walk, Swami Turiyananda said: “Character is the essential thing in spiritual life.”

June 23, 1915. At noontime, after his rest, Swami Turiyananda remarked: “One must have the faculty of love. How intensely I loved when I was a young boy! I had made up my mind to become a monk, but I used to weep at the thought of having to leave my brothers. I was so deeply attached to them. When I came to Sri Ramakrishna, he easily severed all ties of attachment.

“Once the Master asked B.: ‘Whom do you love most of all?’ The answer was: ‘Well, sir, I don’t think I love anyone.’ At this the Master exclaimed: ‘Oh, what a dry rascal! Fall either into one pit or the other—into the pit of filth or into the pit of gold!’ But who is fool enough to want to fall into the pit of filth?

“I never had any doubt about the existence of God.”

June 24, 1915. It was morning. Swami Turiyananda, while taking his bath, talked about the days at the Baranagore Monastery when Sri Ramakrishna’s disciples were still young boys: “Swami Abhedananda used to avoid all types of work. He would shut himself in a room and engage himself in study and meditation. He used to say that he did not wish to work. Sometimes he would observe complete silence and not talk for days on end. Some of us used to be angry with him for that. But Swamiji said: ‘You people are jealous! You can’t bear that somebody is doing something to improve himself. He is not lazily idling his time away. What if he doesn’t work! Never mind, you don’t have to work either! I’ll do everything!’

“The worship of a man as man, without the awareness that he is God, does not lead to liberation any more than the worship of departed ancestors or spirits does. Even if you worship an illumined soul, you do not reach enlightenment unless you are conscious of his divinity, although you will imbibe his characteristics to some extent, such as purity and dispassion.”

SWAMI SHIVANANDA: “That also is no small matter.”

SWAMI TURIYANANDA: “But if you worship a divine incarnation, whether or not you are aware of his divinity, he will reveal his Godhead to you. But remember, this applies only to the divine incarnations.

“The gopis, [shepherdesses of Brindaban], for instance, were transformed and attained liberation although they had approached Sri Krishna with lust. One gopi was locked in a room by her husband. Through her pangs of separation from Sri Krishna she was freed from evil, and through the bliss she received by meditating on him she also went beyond good, and attained liberation.

“There is a state of divine love where you forget the Lord’s power in order to feel greater intimacy with him. That state comes after God-realization. But the gopis were no ordinary human beings. Their bodies were made of spirit.

“Through the grace of Sri Ramakrishna we can understand Jesus and appreciate the teachings of the Bible.

“Continence is the most important practice in spiritual life. One who practices chastity easily attains devotion and knowledge. Lust is born in the mind. One who is freed from passions transcends this world.”

In the afternoon, after a reading of the Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna, Swami Turiyananda remarked: “They say that from the Word evolved this universe. But this is only true if by the Word you understand that pure Consciousness whose symbol it is. When we think of the universe, we are awed by its vastness. Yet when we analyze, what is the universe but touch, taste, smell, form, and sound?

“If you say that stubbornness is strength, I cannot agree with you. Stubbornness merely hides one’s weakness. Real strength is the capacity to yield when necessary and to resume one’s position without compromising the ideal.”

June 26, 1915. At lunchtime Swami Turiyananda observed: “Do not forget the ideal for which you have renounced the world. It is good to analyze occasionally if you are progressing in your spiritual life.”

June 27, 1915. SWAMI SHIVANANDA: “Sri Ramakrishna did not initiate disciples like an ordinary guru. He used to awaken our spiritual consciousness. He would draw something on the tongue and one would immediately have some ecstatic experience. One day, when I returned from prostrating in the Kali Temple, the Master remarked: ‘You belong to that high spiritual realm whence manifest name and form.’”

SWAMI TURIYANANDA: “Whoever approached the Master once could not even think of going to any other holy man.”

Later in the day, Swami Turiyananda remarked: “I had intense longing to attain liberation in this very life. Now of course I do not care whether this body lasts or not.”

June 28, 1915.

SWAMI TURIYANANDA: “We have seen with these eyes. We have heard with these ears. When we came to Sri Ramakrishna he made us feel that God-realization was within our grasp. Yet occasionally we would become discouraged and worry whether our lives would pass without our reaching the goal. Then, in the course of time, the Master did everything for us.”

June 29, 1915. Swami Turiyananda was quoting from a song about Sri Rama: “’There is none second to Him. He is all in all. He is my only refuge.’ When you come to this realization then you will have achieved something. The ordinary person depends on many things—on wealth, on friends, or on their own intelligence. But there is no security in anything but God.”

“Let nothing stand between you and the Lord. The Lord had freed the gopis from all bondages except shyness. Finally he freed them from this last limitation. If the Lord finds that his devotee has difficulty renouncing a certain attachment, he himself takes it away. ‘O Lord, you steal away all that I had hidden deep within my heart.’ ‘If you desire to cross this ocean of worldliness, O man, renounce all cravings.’ ”

While walking, Swami Turiyananda said: “The Master used to tell us: ‘First tie the knot of nondual knowledge in the corner of your cloth; then do as you please. And adore Him.” That is to say, know Him to be your innermost Self—the life of your life, the eye of your eye—and realizing this, devote yourself to Him.

To pray, ‘Lord, give me this, give me that,’ does not lead to liberation. True devotion does not arise so long as the slightest desire is left in the mind.”

My Master [ by Vivekananda] was read.

SWAMI TURIYANANDA: “Can a person rest contented without struggling to know if there is a Reality behind this world appearance, that there is a God, One who never dies, One who is the infinite mine of bliss—a bliss compared to which these sense pleasures are simply playthings?”

“Just see! God to us is merely a word. What will a few minutes of meditation and japam [repetition of the Lord’s name] do? Let your heart burn away with yearning for God! Feel that life is not worth living without him! Then he will reveal himself! As the poor man longs for wealth, as the lustful man longs for a woman, so must the devotee long for the Lord.”

“Surrender yourself to God. You call him omnipotent and omniscient. Why then should you hesitate to take refuge in him? But surrender yourself sincerely. Don’t rely upon your own strength while chanting his name. There is no deceiving God. He knows everything. ‘Thou art the agent, I am the instrument. Thou art the operator, I am the machine.’ To feel this sincerely is the alpha and omega of religion. Swamiji used to quote the Bible: ‘My God is a jealous God.’ If you are attached to anything or anyone else and do not renounce all for him, you cannot find him.”

June 30, 1915. It was morning.

SWAMI TURIYANANDA: Who wants God? Practically nobody. Everyone wishes to be free from suffering and to find happiness. Pure devotion without any ulterior motive is very rare.

“I knew a man who used to say he wanted nirvana. One day he asked me if he should marry again. You see, when there is an earnest longing for nirvana, even to be the emperor of emperors is a trifling thing. The very desire for nirvana brings such tranquillity to the mind. How can anybody then think of marriage!”

July 1, 1915. SWAMI TURIYANANDA: “Whenever Swamiji used the pronoun ‘I,’ he was referring the universal Self. When we say ‘I,’ we are identified with the little self—with the body, mind, and senses. Hence we should think of ourselves as servants and devotees of the Lord. The very utterance of the word ‘I’ would take Swamiji beyond body, mind, and senses. This was his normal state of consciousness. But this mood, ‘I am he,’ is not possible for us. So we have to say, ‘Thou and Thou alone,’ in order that we may forget the little self and be united with the universal Self.

“The real devotee thinks in terms of ‘Thee’ and ‘Thine.’ The devotee always feels, ‘Lord thou art all in all; everything belongs to thee.’ Where is the difference between his dualism and the nondualistic standpoint? But when a devotee thinks of ‘me’ and ‘mine,’ and separates himself from God, that kind of dualism is harmful to a person’s spiritual growth. Such an aspirant remains deluded. Sri Ramakrishna used to repeat, ‘Not I, not I, O Lord! Thou, thou alone! I am thy servant.’ A devotee must completely renounce the ego.”

DISCIPLE: How can we get rid of anger, jealousy, and other passions?”

SWAMI TURIYANANDA: “Just analyze yourselves—why should you be angry or jealous? Who are you to punish another? Learn to punish yourselves. But never say that you have conquered lust and other passions. If you do, they will be aroused. Pray to God that they may remain dormant.

“Divine love must awaken within your hearts and be intensified and crystallized. Then only the vision of God will open up. Take for instance the life of Gopaler Ma [a woman disciple of Sri Ramakrishna, who had the continuous vision of Gopal, Lord Krishna as a child]. She used to see Gopal accompanying her and gathering fuel for her. And Sri Ramakrishna used to have visions of Ramlala [the Child Rama] walking and playing with him.

“Intense devotion to God is the important thing in spiritual life. What does it matter whether you worship him as formless or with form?”

July 2, 1915. SWAMI TURIYANANDA: “Eating, sleeping, fear, copulation—these are the common characteristics of man and beast. We differ from the beasts in that we can discriminate between right and wrong. If one lives on a low plane of consciousness, one finds pleasure in the senses. With spiritual growth, one experiences happiness in subtler things. Then the person no longer finds enjoyment in the gross. Most people live the lives of beasts—drinking, hunting, running after a mate. If one cannot rise to a higher plane of consciousness, human birth is wasted.

“Meditate! Meditate! Be absorbed in His consciousness! If you can think single-mindedly of the Master for five years, you will achieve everything. Then it does not matter where you live. East and West will be the same to you. Know that God alone is real. Nothing else matters.”

“There is the ocean of infinite existence, infinite consciousness, and infinite bliss, seemingly divided by the stick of an ego which lies upon it. This ego is the first-begotten son of desire. Our cravings alone keep us separated from God. Sometime or other we must be freed from them. Root out all desires and call on Him! If He wills that the body should die, let it die while chanting His name! By worldly standards a man may be great. But he too in some life or other will have to renounce everything for God.

“An enlightened being, who has seen God and been freed from cravings, again engages in work for the good of others. You also may work, under the direction of illumined souls, because selfless work will help you grow spiritually. Actions performed in the spirit of non-attachment do not create bondage. They stop the wheel of karma. Pray to Him: ‘O Lord, I want you alone. You are my all in all. May I always think of you. Do not engage me in actions that may make me forget you. Wherever you may keep me, may I remember you.’ But if you say ‘Lord, give me this and do not give me that,’ then your prayer is selfish. When you want to do one thing and not another, you permit your ego to control you. Always pray that you may have devotion to the lotus feet of the Lord and that you may have the society of the holy.”

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